Kratom Abstinence
Interviewing people in recovery from kratom abuse or addiction, or experts in the field.
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Dec 6, 2023
Dec 6, 2023
52 min
Interview with Kayla about her mother, who medical examiners determined died from acute mitragynine toxicity on December 15, 2021.
Research article cited in opening:
https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=4495146
"Mitragynine associated death incidents or MADI is indeed a legitimate, serious public health concern. Our results have provided evidence of the adverse effects associated with using kratom (mostly in combination with other substances), primarily intoxication and death. As more people utilize kratom, more research is needed to elucidate the role of kratom and its alkaloids, particularly mitragynine, in drug intoxication and whether it exacerbates symptoms in people with cardiovascular, neurocognitive, and respiratory disorders. The co-use of other drugs, particularly opioids, increased the risks of death from kratom use. The FDA warns the public not to use kratom due to its high risks of abuse, dependence, addiction, and even death. Until clinical trials establishing safe doses and abuse potential are conducted, this will most certainly remain the position of the FDA."
Original source of kratom death data from Florida:
https://www.fdle.state.fl.us/MEC/Publications-and-Forms.aspx
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Dec 3, 2023
Dec 3, 2023
54 min
Can mushrooms help curb a kratom addiction or detox from one? Jan, likely the most disciplined guest to appear since Mike, talks about how an alcoholic-alternative kratom product led him to "deteriorate faster than I could lower my standards" (from Anne Lamont quoted in Brené Brown's book Braving the Wilderness).
RESOURCE OF THE WEEK
From Cleveland Clinic: https://health.clevelandclinic.org/75-hard-challenge-and-rules
From this week's guest Jan:
"I would highly recommend doing 75 Hard. Each day is a small goal that leads to the big goal. kinda like one day at a time."
https://andyfrisella.com/pages/75hard-info
https://open.spotify.com/episode/5k7tZRpBpOkWyDaAZOVuZ3
KRATOM IN THE HEADLINES
Mitragyna speciosa (Kratom) poisoning: Findings from ten cases
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/36801215/
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Nov 26, 2023
Nov 26, 2023
39 min
Harper's first addiction was kratom and she successfully tapered off a year and half ago. Clip from the Dopey podcast from Dr. Harrison warning that while kratom is clearly safer than opioids, it is addictive in itself, can produce difficult withdrawals and many patients have to receive medicated assisted treatment to quit.
RESOURCE OF THE WEEK
By Dr. Nzinga Harrison: Un-Addiction book and podcast
https://www.amazon.com/Addiction-Mind-Changing-Conversations-Could-Addiction/dp/1454950870
https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/un-addiction-with-nzinga-harrison-md/id1708986521
KRATOM IN THE HEADLINES
Florida kratom bar scene
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-11-10/kratom-sold-at-kava-bars-offers-a-buzz-but-comes-with-warnings?srnd=undefined#xj4y7vzkg
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Nov 19, 2023
Nov 19, 2023
1hr 4 min
California sober discussion. Husband and father of seven boys, Zack shares how he kicked extracts after first trying kratom to assist with his fitness routine.
RESOURCE OF THE WEEK
The Cannabis That People Are Using for Anxiety Is Probably Making It Worsehttps://www.wsj.com/health/wellness/anxiety-medical-marijuana-treatment-4bfd2cc3
KRATOM IN THE HEADLINES
Federal KCPA
https://www.naturalproductsinsider.com/supplement-regulations/law-firm-who-won-millions-in-kratom-cases-raises-doubts-about-fed-bill
https://kratomsobriety.com/f/vote-no-on-the-federal-%E2%80%9Cthe-kratom-consumer-protection-act%E2%80%9D
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Nov 12, 2023
Nov 12, 2023
51 min
Opiate/opiod withdrawals compared to kratom withdrawals. Cristina talks with Decima about her journey growing up in a household where she did not learn to self regulate to adulthood as a mother and wife through surviving trauma to recover from a kratom dependency and hair loss.
RESOURCE OF THE WEEKHealing from trauma and addiction:Book: https://pete-walker.com/complex_ptsd_book.html Podcast: https://pete-walker.com/complex_ptsd_book.html
KRATOM IN THE HEADLINESMassachusetts regulation https://www.boston25news.com/news/local/its-dangerous-push-regulation-mass-addictive-herb-sold-local-stores/GLMYIJHW6ZBW3LSOMNZUBV655M/
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Nov 8, 2023
Nov 8, 2023
37 min
Jacob interviews Wendy of Kratom Danger Awareness (KDA). Her son Joseph died at age 38 from mitragynine / kratom toxicity with no other substances or drugs in his system.
Wendy's group:https://www.facebook.com/groups/kratomdangerawareness https://kratomdangerawareness.org
Scientific studies discussed by Charlie at end about kratom as a cause of death:
* Papsun, D. M., Schroeder, W., Brower, J., & Logan, B. K. (2023). Forensic Implications of Kratom: Kratom Toxicity, Correlation with Mitragynine Concentrations, and Polypharmacy. Current Addiction Reports, 10(2), 1-10. https://doi.org/10.1007/s40429-023-00477-4
* Suriaga, A. A., Tappen, R. M. McCurdy, C. R., and Newman, D. (2023) Increased Risk of Mitragynine Drug Intoxication is Associated with Opioid Use: A Retrospective Analysis. SSRN. https://ssrn.com/abstract=4495146
* Tanna, R. S., Nguyen, J., Hadi, D. L., Layton, M. E., White, J. R., Cech, N. B., Oberlies, N. H., Rettie, A. E., Thummel, K. E., & Paine, M. F. (2023, March 28). Clinical Assessment of the Drug Interaction Potential of the Psychotropic Natural Product Kratom. Clinical Pharmacology & Therapeutics, 113(6), 1315–1325. https://doi.org/10.1002/cpt.2891
* Li, X., Ndungu, P., Taneja, S. B., Chapin, M. R., Egbert, S. B., Akenapalli, K., Paine, M. F., Kane-Gill, S. L., & Boyce, R. D. (2023). An evaluation of adverse drug reactions and outcomes attributed to kratom in the US Food and Drug Administration Adverse Event Reporting System from January 2004 through September 2021. Clinical and Translational Science, 16(6), 1002–1011. https://doi.org/10.1111/cts.13505
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Nov 5, 2023
Nov 5, 2023
1hr 5 min
Jacob and Charlie read some listener comments and discuss the growth of the kratom industry and the podcast. Nick is almost three years clean off of kratom and shares how we need more kratom-specific recovery awareness and resources. Decima talks about kratom regulation in Mississippi.
Study Jacob referenced about explosion of kratom market: https://www.maximizemarketresearch.com/market-report/kratom-market/216883/?fbclid=IwAR2L2C_K14LIfBlgvYYfvh22K8RPacRsj1RFr7YRbvZVsaAba4DpyN00JoA
RESOURCE OF WEEK
Exercise to help with withdrawals and recovery https://www.washingtonpost.com/wellness/2023/04/26/addiction-recovery-exercise-treatment/
KRATOM IN THE HEADLINES
Kratom/CDB chain owner bustedhttps://www.msn.com/en-us/news/other/update-biloxi-councilman-indicted-on-drug-conspiracy-records-destruction-charges-after-raids/ar-AA1h72RZ
Kratom Regulation in Mississippi https://www.mpbonline.org/blogs/news/mississippi-lawmakers-hearing-evidence-to-ban-kratom-in-the-2023-legislative-session/
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Oct 29, 2023
Oct 29, 2023
37 min
Decima & Charlie discuss getting things done without kratom. Eva shares how she quit kratom after a near-death experience and a relapse.
RESOURCE OF WEEK
Google Sheet tapering tool: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/13QpmFV45wUXWuh6YDQPvk51Da3gJMkh4X1WSLpsEwzE/edit?usp=sharing
KRATOM IN THE HEADLINES
Shot of Joy FDA Warning Letter: https://www.fda.gov/inspections-compliance-enforcement-and-criminal-investigations/warning-letters/shot-joy-llc-665936-09252023
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Oct 22, 2023
Oct 22, 2023
45 min
Jacob and Decima discuss MAT opiate blockers versus replacement therapy. Chad talks about getting up to 12 kava/kratom drinks a day, and the horrible cracked and bloody hands, and significant weight loss that off accompanies it. Lots of references to libido and negative impacts with use of subs and kratom!
Charlie's "Kicking K" Spotify Playlist featuring Social Distortion's Ball & Chain:
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Oct 18, 2023
Oct 18, 2023
1hr 5 min
Mr. Ericson's reporting on the kratom industry for Court House News:
https://www.courthousenews.com/can-kratom-kill/
https://www.courthousenews.com/addiction-and-the-kratom-business/
https://www.courthousenews.com/the-kratom-playbook-working-the-refs/
https://www.courthousenews.com/the-law-and-the-profits-inside-kratoms-political-underbelly/
https://www.courthousenews.com/major-kratom-importers-guilty-plea-stirs-questions/
Research articles mentioned in interview:
Study of 550 Kratom Related Deaths (21 Kratom Alone) Over Two Years https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=4495146
A Mild Panic? Media Accounts of Kratom
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/01639625.2019.1607114
Patterns of Kratom use and health impact in the US—Results from an online survey
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28521200/
Forensic Implications of Kratom
https://link.springer.com/epdf/10.1007/s40429-023-00477-4?sharing_token=wh-9b_7hinP2jDobkJxOcve4RwlQNchNByi7wbcMAY6YWAp_ltIAKHHRkHjabCt4rfmHk7R0b28KLLHNQO3tpxmNqbgt94y6JvxO25oe_5u8XLWeFn7APmIBgzqo-yzekFy09CcczTqwUO9NdCwkzz4mr-fhkdiSsE4ZNS5_MAY=
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