Kratom Abstinence
Interviewing people in recovery from kratom abuse or addiction, or experts in the field.
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Wednesday Feb 19, 2025
Wednesday Feb 19, 2025
A powder user, Misty quit kratom twice. First five years ago cold turkey, with horrible acute withdrawals for a month and then hard protracted withdrawals for half a year. Formerly addicted to heroin, she felt the withdrawals were just as bad if not worse. This second quit in May 2023, she got the SUBLOCADE® shot (buprenorphine injection). This resulted in no withdrawals and allowed her to take care of her four children without taking any time off.
Initially taking kratom for a boost in energy starting in 2016ish, Misty's side effects from kratom including severe constipation, extreme weight loss, hair loss, fits of rage, wobbles/pre seizures and a scary choking incident with a clump of powder stuck (and not easily dislodged) in her windpipe. She was consuming a kilo and half at her top usage, which was up to 50 grams a day. Good news, a year and half off kratom - she is back to normal, and her hair went from 75% gone to only 25% missing, and no more losing her cool either!
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Sunday Feb 16, 2025
Sunday Feb 16, 2025
Make a plan to quit. Cassidy was 16 when she first tried kratom, buying from a gas station near her home. Her use escalated to street drugs and a stint in rehab, and her recovery includes addressing mental health issues and getting ready to go to college.
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Wednesday Feb 12, 2025
Wednesday Feb 12, 2025
A study co-authored by Dr. Christopher McCurdy concludes "...the public needs to be warned about this public health problem and heed the Food and Drug Administration’s warning on kratom being a drug of concern." Link study: https://tinyurl.com/bdrewda6
The academic article provides evidence that kratom alone can cause death, though such cases are relatively rare compared to polysubstance kratom fatalities. It is possible that these numbers could represent an undercount as kratom is not universally tested for in all fatalities. It is possible that some but definitely not all of these cases may represent deaths where other substances, adulterated kratom, or health conditions may not have been detected.
Key findings supporting kratom causing death:
1) Sole Substance Deaths Analyzed:
* Among 551 mitragynine-positive cases, 36 (6.5%) had no other substances present at the time of death.
* In these cases, mitragynine was determined to be the sole cause of death through autopsy and toxicology.
2) Other Research Cited:
* Previous studies, such as Olsen et al. (2019), documented a few cases where mitragynine was the only substance detected in fatal intoxications.
* Additional case reports (e.g., Behonick et al. 2022) confirmed fatalities where kratom alone led to outcomes like cardiac arrest, seizures, or respiratory failure.
Journal of Addiction Medicine https://journals.lww.com/journaladdictionmedicine/abstract/9900/the_associations_of_kratom__mitragynine_,_opioids,.408.aspx
Links from this week's guests:
Kratom Danger Awareness: https://www.facebook.com/share/g/1DU1RfAvdd/?mibextid=wwXIfr
Documentary A Beautiful Life Stolen: https://abeautifullifestolen.com/documentary-1
Documentary Tampa Bay Times, Deadly Dose: https://youtu.be/ys01SU2BpWE
Sue's TikTok @krat0mdangers: https://www.tiktok.com/@krat0mdangers?_t=ZT-8ta2H2Dngwo&_r=1
Press conference of Sue with her lawyers: https://youtu.be/mUHECdNFIkc
Testimony in Tinley Park, Kratom banned: https://www.youtube.com/live/fJx1JzBRfJw?si=sj486Q982UvvvxnY
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Sunday Feb 09, 2025
Sunday Feb 09, 2025
Imagining kratom Superbowl commercials. Focusing on the impact on his family and remembering an earlier time in his life when he abused opioids, in Nolan's first pod interview, Brandon found that a little tonic he bought at the gas station (and endorsed by some collegiate sports teams) tuned into a heavy addiction he found hard to quit.
Nolan's quitting kratom YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/@Nolanwrites
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Wednesday Feb 05, 2025
Wednesday Feb 05, 2025
Casey Grover, MD FACEP FASAM
https://www.addictionmedicinemadeeasy.com/about-5
Post-acute Withdrawal SyndromeDOI: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/36731102/
The Science on Kratom: Kratom Journal Club (podcast episode) https://tinyurl.com/59bmbetc
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Sunday Feb 02, 2025
Sunday Feb 02, 2025
Tips for tapering. Alec had to go to residential treatment to overcome his kratom addiction. Bouncing back after a recent relapse, he is now off kratom and buckling in for long term journey.
1) Kratom Tapering Tool For Quitting - Google Sheets
https://tinyurl.com/mr29nrfz
2) How to Quit Kratom [Tapering, Supplements, & Cold Turkey] - Tripsitter
https://tripsitter.com/kratom/how-to-quit/
3) Tapering | Quitting Kratom Support
https://kratomquitters.com/tapering
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Wednesday Jan 29, 2025
Wednesday Jan 29, 2025
Despite working as a substance abuse counselor, Desiree shares about her experience from initial kratom use to severe dependency and the physical and mental toll it took on her, eventually leading to a determined effort to seek help and achieve freedom from the kava-kratom tonics with support from her sister.
NOTE: At the podcast, we are experimenting with posting two interviews a week, one on Wednesdays and continuing with our traditional episodes on Sundays. We have a list of 20 people who want to be guests, so we want to accommodate the interest of people to appear on the show.
Love Yourself Like Your Life Depends on It by Kamal Ravikant, Hardcover | Barnes & Noble
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Sunday Jan 26, 2025
Sunday Jan 26, 2025
Libby and Jacob discuss quitting mindset hacks. Eric is a 50-something dad who used kratom capsules for eight years before he realized it was not the life enhancer he had convinced himself it was. With no previous history of addiction, Eric discusses tapering tips and other advice from his nine months off kratom.
Love Yourself Like Your Life Depends on It by Kamal Ravikant, Hardcover | Barnes & Noble
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Wednesday Jan 22, 2025
Wednesday Jan 22, 2025
Dear Listeners,
By far, the most painful thing about hosting this podcast and in the quitting kratom community writ large, is the conflict about the use of Suboxone or buprenorphine to treat kratom addiction. Please try to see both sides, now.
On one hand, often victims of the opioid pill crisis of the 2000s and many moving on to heroin or street drugs, we have a bunch of listeners who came to kratom to get off Suboxone. These folks often have quit both drugs and Suboxone multiple times. Many have had honeymoon periods with Suboxone where it helped for some block of time but eventually stopped being a positive experience. Almost all of them had horrendous trouble with stopping the subs with hard and difficult withdrawals from subs. Some first time kratom quitters with bad Suboxone experiences as well. All these folks feel very strongly they have an obligation to warn others about this, as they wish they had been warned.
On the other hand, we have listeners who have a horrible kratom addiction, often to extract products. These typically result in very expensive habits spending $100 to $200 per day. Some of these folks have been able to quit multiple times but end up relapsing back on kratom. A few of them end up feeling suicidal from being stuck in this cycle. Out of desperation, they turn to seeing an addiction doctor and are prescribed buprenorphine. Many of these folks feel strongly that bupe saved their lives, but they feel judged not by the general public but by their own peers in the recovery community. They worry many others are being scared from trying Suboxone and are needlessly suffering stuck in addiction because of stigmatization of a valid treatment pathway.
Please try to see both sides, now.
Sincerely, Charlie
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Sunday Jan 19, 2025
Sunday Jan 19, 2025
Jacob and Libby talk about not trying to overdue your early days of quitting with too many goals and setting yourself up for failure. A nurse with no previous addiction history, Mitch became dependent on the kava-kratom tonics. He discusses how he quit and explores a range of kratom related medical topics as well as bouncing back after a relapse where he told himself he would just have "one".
RESOURCE OF THE WEEK
Stasis - Your Brain, Balanced.
https://takestasis.com/
Withdrawal supplement recommended by Mitch.
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