Kratom Abstinence
Interviewing people in recovery from kratom abuse or addiction, or experts in the field.
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Wednesday Aug 23, 2023
Wednesday Aug 23, 2023
Guest expert interview with CEO of Boardwalk Recovery in San Diego. Occasionally, on Wednesdays we may publish special episodes featuring content different from our typical format on Sundays with people in recovery from kratom addiction sharing their stories.
Episode 18: Tommy Hathorn shares a hopeful message about his 19 years of personal recovery and a decade of service operating addiction centers. https://boardwalkrecoverycenter.com/
“I'm never gonna use Kratom. I won't introduce that into my life just because of the dangers that I've observed in other people.”
"One guy...was rationalizing it, saying that it's only kratom...you can't say that it's not that big a deal if you're spending most of your paychecks on it. The floorboard of your truck is full of them. Your wife is complaining about it. You're broke because of it."
More on Weird Situation of Kratom Legality in San Diego:
https://www.sandiegomagazine.com/food-drink/sd-legal-battles-with-kratom/article_489a2f60-45a9-11ed-abc1-e7e220e1f761.html
Sunday Aug 20, 2023
Sunday Aug 20, 2023
Eric is a family man who is fit (protein diet & regular exercise) and energetic (high earner & top performer). Without a history of addiction in his past, he found even with his typical competency and life advantages he needed the help of a short-term detox center and brief MAT intervention to kick kratom.
RESOURCES OF THE WEEK
Kratom Quitting Via MAT Subreddit
https://www.reddit.com/r/quittingkratomviaMAT/
Medication Assisted Treatment Anonymous (MARA) -https://www.mara-international.org/onlinemeetings
KRATOM IN THE HEADLINES
Krave Botanicals Misled Consumers About Highly Addictive Kratom Products, Class Action Claims
https://www.classaction.org/news/krave-botanicals-misled-consumers-about-highly-addictive-kratom-products-class-action-claims?fbclid=IwAR1eBoWNMXAPZ23zp7gC2AbICNmoIbu5K5kZCiTCnZgFtHybFALCmayXaTA
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Sunday Aug 13, 2023
Sunday Aug 13, 2023
Hosted by Krista & Jacob this week. Fritz's addiction doctor said his kratom withdrawal may feel like "a mix of opiates, benzos & stimulates" after five years of 30 grams per day. After quitting kratom through the help of medical treatment and by resetting his sobriety date at his 12 step home group, Fritz has restored trust with his wife to enjoy new dance lessons and new peace during his recent retirement from a law career.
The Adverse Cardiovascular Effects and Cardiotoxicity of Kratom: https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fphar.2021.726003/full
RESOURCES OF THE WEEK
KRATOM SPECIFIC MEETINGS (Eastern Time Zone)
Wed 8pm / Sat 10am Meetingswww.quittingkratom.org quittingkratom@gmail.com
Thurs 8pm Meetinghttps://www.facebook.com/groups/129777827629141/
Wed 8:30pm Meeting Feel Freehttps://www.reddit.com/r/Quittingfeelfree/
Thurs 7pm Meetinghttps://www.reddit.com/r/dopeypodcast/
KRATOM IN THE HEADLINES
Dad found dead in living room after using kratom, lawsuit says. Jury awards family $2.5M
https://www.thenewstribune.com/news/state/washington/article277595083.html
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Sunday Aug 06, 2023
Sunday Aug 06, 2023
Cold turkey vs tapering discussion. A mother of five and an EMT, Natalie started using kratom seven years ago and took a year to prepare to quit by making exercise and nutritional lifestyle changes to reinforce a transition to being kratom free.
RESOURCES OF THE WEEK
Andrew Huberman AMA Kratom
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HoH93judXmE
KRATOM IN THE HEADLINES
News story with kratom related seizurehttps://kjzz.com/news/local/a-utah-mother-warns-other-parents-about-the-effects-of-kratom
Scientific article with info about kratom related seizureshttps://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7001130/
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Sunday Jul 30, 2023
Sunday Jul 30, 2023
Krista and Charlie discuss tips for using alcohol and drug recovery meetings for kicking kratom. Overview of Decima’s story:
* Moderator of large quitting kratom Facebook group
* Nearly decade of use & former pro-kratom advocate
* Experienced 3 seizures from kratom earlier in 2023
* Prescribed Vivitrol to support this kratom quit
* Best advice: start supplements six weeks before CT or taper
* Quitting Kratom Support Private FB Group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/129777827629141
RESOURCES OF THE WEEK
The Slippery Slope of Kava, Kratom, and CBD
https://www.thetemper.com/kava-kratom-cbd/
Medicated Assisted Treatment: some evidence a longer period is better than rapid detox
* Compares people on a 6 day detox with Suboxone vs people maintained at 16mg a day; 100% failure rate and relapse rate for the detox patients vs 25% with the patients maintained on Buprenorphine. https://nida.nih.gov/publications/research-reports/medications-to-treat-opioid-addiction/efficacy-medications-opioid-use-disorder.
* Different study showing much better success rates of abstinence when maintained on subs for 12 weeks vs using only for a short term detox period - https://www.nih.gov/news-events/news-releases/extended-suboxone-treatment-substantially-improves-outcomes-opioid-addicted-young-adults
KRATOM IN THE HEADLINES
https://www.cbsnews.com/video/kratom-products-continue-to-draw-criticism-from-health-experts/
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/07/26/well/mind/kratom-health-risks.html
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Sunday Jul 23, 2023
Sunday Jul 23, 2023
Krista and Charlie talk about alternatives to the 12 steps. In the interview, Jacob from Maine shares how he used SMART Recovery and MAT to manage to get and stay off extract shots for over 90 days after a hard struggle.
RESOURCE OF THE WEEK
Clonidine prescription for withdrawals
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK459124/
https://www.drugs.com/comments/clonidine/for-opiate-withdrawal.html
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/27057581/
KRATOM IN THE HEADLINES
https://www.npr.org/2023/07/08/1186632829/the-readily-available-herbal-supplement-kratom-is-facing-wrongful-death-lawsuits
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Sunday Jul 16, 2023
Sunday Jul 16, 2023
Caught up in the Florida kratom bar scene, Krista explains how after finishing a 30 day residential treatment program in August 2022, she is working the 12 steps with a sponsor and tapping into her own expertise as an addiction counselor to stay off kratom. Article about kratom risks looking at Florida autopsy data:
https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=4495146
RESOURCE OF THE WEEK
Quit Kratom app in Google Play
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.michaljanecek.quitkratom
KRATOM IN THE HEADLINES
Utah Mountain Express: “How kratom, a legal 'herbal opioid,' tore one local family apart”
https://www.mtexpress.com/news/health/how-kratom-a-legal-herbal-opioid-tore-one-local-family-apart/article_7d5d01a6-1767-11ee-83f5-6bb06325e72d.html
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Sunday Jul 09, 2023
Sunday Jul 09, 2023
Should I count days while quitting kratom?
RESOURCE OF THE WEEK
Bird and the Bee: Interpreting the Masters Volume 1: A Tribute to Daryl Hall and John Oates
https://open.spotify.com/album/6Bh8grVrJlDIJ0vJKtakTi?si=4ThijOzcS36kdTUYeYd9Iw&context=spotify%3Aalbum%3A6Bh8grVrJlDIJ0vJKtakTi
KRATOM IN THE HEADLINES
Heart health risks and kratom recent study:
https://www.jacc.org/doi/10.1016/j.jacc.2023.04.009
https://www.medpagetoday.com/cardiology/arrhythmias/104851
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Sunday Jul 02, 2023
Sunday Jul 02, 2023
After a three-day inpatient medical detox for kratom, Rob talks about how he's fighting for his recovery after a lifelong struggle. If you have developed tolerance and dependence related to your kratom use, and have trouble quitting because of severe withdrawals or due to addiction, this podcast may help you with kicking kratom and maintaining long-term abstinence.
RESOURCES OF THE WEEK
Everything You Know About Addiction Is Wrong - Ted Talk: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PY9DcIMGxMs
Rob's book suggestion: https://www.abebooks.com/9781590030721/Twenty-Five-Words-Serenity-Prayer-Save-1590030729/plp
Handbook of Addiction Disorders (2004):
https://www.academia.edu/download/39758328/Handbook_of_Addictive_Disorders_-_A_Practical_Guide_to_Diag._and_Trtmt_-_R._Coombs_Wiley__2004_WW.pdf
KRATOM IN THE HEADLINES
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/from-addiction-to-recovery/202306/exploring-the-complexities-of-kratom
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Sunday Jun 25, 2023
Sunday Jun 25, 2023
Joey's kratom addiction landed him in the psych ward and drug rebab, and after many attempted quits, he has finally found success over the last three months. Beating the odds so far, this peer-reviewed study found Kratom Use Disorder has a relapse rate "as high as 78% to 89% at 3 months post-cessation."
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33974767/
RESOURCE OF THE WEEK
Truth About Kratom - Five Years Off Kratom
https://youtu.be/4evMaPJqUjE
KRATOM IN THE HEADLINES
Ban, ignore or regulate? Kratom and the Whac-A-Mole world of soft drugs
https://www.politico.eu/article/kratom-czech-republic-ban-ignore-or-regulate-and-the-whac-a-mole-world-of-soft-drugs/
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